Guns and Butter, for May 11, 2011 - 1:00pm
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"Osama bin Laden: Dead or Alive?" with David Ray Griffin. We examine all the evidence, both that indicating bin Laden died, and that suggesting he was still alive in 2009; the important bin Laden videos and audio recordings, the significance, if any, in the timing of their release; and statements by significant political and intelligence figures.
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Good news. Dr. Griffen has pretty much recovered from a very serious health crisis and recently did an interview with Stephen Lendman. It sounds like he will soon be able to resume lecturing. If anyone is interested, you can listen to the interview here ... http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/the-progressive-news-hour/
Osama bin Laden is a member of the FBI, CIA, NSA, GEN agencies of the ”Corporte State“ (3 branch of Govt., and the Multi-National Corps.) a “Jennie in a bottle,” his death is a Disney Charade-- the war is in fact a “Disney Epistemological Movie. “
Osama bin Laden, moreover, I would bet my 35 years of reading The New York Times, Newsweek, Village Voice, Economist, and watch ABC’s “World News Tonight,” “Good Morning America,” and NBC’s “Today” show and “Meet the Press” that Osama bin Laden was born in Queens, New York, and is still alive somewhere in New York running the war with advanced technology, unknown to most, of a shadow network of surveillance and spying under DARPA and the Psycho-Electronic Synthetic Telepathic Spy Surveillance (see: sosbeeFBI.com) with former presidents George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W.Bush, the Pentagon, and Bill Gates, Leon Paneta (new Sect of Defense), Gen Patraus (new CIA Director), part of the Big Media, etc.
Let Dr. Griffin work that angle. I hear Bashar alAssad was a construction engineer and had renal failure, because a doctor somewhere, in that part of world, said so, and Robert Baer says he's dead, and someone in a Paula Zahn interview agreed. Dr. Griffin made a career in creative writing. He's put all the pieces together for a comfortable retirement. My hat is off to him. No wonder he's always chuckling. I wish I was his heir.
Is the "Arab Spring" the death knell for all conspiracy theories concerning the 911 events or is it just the next phase?
The doctor is very loose with his facts and rumors. Uses the useful ones, disparages what doesn't fit. And sounds like Bonnie's reading a list of questions that he supplied. It's more of an ad than an interview.
It would be wonderful to hear a new interview with David Ray Griffen now that the Osama-bama-ding-dong raid and assassination has taken place. I think the motives for killing OBL (again, for the final time) is to systematically reveal the "seized" Osama documents ... as fast as the CIA can create them. These O-docs will of course justify whatever the US gov't has done in the past or will do in the future ... war on terror, torture, war on Pakistan, confiscation of Pakistan's nuclear weapons, etc. Whatever the dirty deed, one or more of those million pages will surely cover it. Plus the O-docs will neatly reinforce the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 which was beginning to fade from memory and raise the fear levels back up to where the government needs them to be in order to complete the transformation of America into a total police state. They've already convinced most Americans that a revenge attack by radical Islamists is certain to occur. Of course this attack will be another false flag but Americans have fallen for that before and will again. It would be very interesting to hear what Dr. Griffen's thoughts are though because he does excellent research and has such a reasoned approach to all such matters. I tend to be very distrustful of pretty much everything the US gov't says after the big lie of 9/11.
One more site one should always check, to add to my list below, is www.counterpunch.org
... caveat here, though, is that Cockburn has continuously fallen into the foolishness of smearing "conspiracy theorists" since 2001... so it was quite refreshing to see that he allowed on his site the following insightful article:
http://counterpunch.org/dinh05042011.html
"To prove his U.S. birth, Obama showed us an electronic file then, jokingly, a cartoon excerpt, but to prove Bin Laden’s death, Obama’s handlers have given us nothing but a cartoon narrative suitable only for dimwitted children. The bloody crooks hustling us must be incredulous, if not laughing uproariously, at what they can get away with in this nation of suckers. "
ps. another stand-by is www.thenation.com .. which has the very best detailed wikileaks coverage I've come across. (But I don't think that writer ever broaches the concept of WL being a spin operation.. for that you'd need to go to www.wfmu.org/daveemory .. (my apologies, but his many caveats I dont have time for right now.. but he's been provocative since pre-2000, to put it mildly.)
I've been wondering since the Op went down, would Griffin appear on any media anywhere, or what?? This book is so germane, after all. I assume this GnB is a repeat of the exellent interview done when this book was fresh out? (I'll give another listen anyway-- so many facts, the repetitions are quite helpful!)
Very interesting to see what kinds of views are allowed on various media outlets-- www.whowhatwhy.com came right out with a good analysis of the level of jive issuing forth, and even www.propublica.com ain't bad-- pointing to some good www.guardian.co.uk bits.
Taking the trip to www.Tarpley.net ... nice to see that he's been making the media rounds-- the latest being an interview on WBAI Evening News of all places!! Would that KPFA weren't apparently run by dweeber/ironfisted Meracle who surely wouldnt hear of any such questioning of AP Copy! (A shame the newshour as a whole has become a bit of a mainstreamy snoozefest.. I used to listen for the occasional detailed legal angles, but time just no longer permits all the sifting thru..)
Man, "BaybyBush" was already president when 9/11 took place.
Get your facts right and stop speading bullshit about 9/11
9/11 should be investigated and discussed by folks who learn the facts
Otherwise you're just another propogandist.
I don't beleive the official story but you are not helping.
YES, fascinating stuff, but "why kill a fake-Osama just now?
Good question.. I have a theory that I've heard absolutely *nowhere*. The jive went down maybe 12 hours (perfect news-cycle panic angle) before the polls opened in the Canadian election (a huge topic, utterly ignored by the U$A lamestream, btw) .. in which the furthest-left of the FOUR large parties was seeing great momentum and quite possibly about to unseat the Bush-clone, Harper. Surprise, surprise-- the continuation of BushCo policy by B.O. pays off and we see immediate jingoist, patriotic lunacy grip the peeps from shore to shore! Oh, joy.
See also that Tarpley.net page for disussion of motives, and most definitely don't miss podcast: http://tarpley.net/world-crisis-radio/ [*CAVEAT* he does happen to be full of bull on Climate Change!]
See also recent installments of Alex Jones' podcast.. I think it was the 4th that stood out recently, but they all have their moments (get your fast-forward ready for the commercials) http://xml.infowars.com/Alex.rss [*CAVEAT* he has an anti-science bent (bamboozled about climate change) and seems inextricably indoctrinated with Cold War hatred for anything describable as "socialist"!?]
See also, as ever: www.alternet.org www.commondreams.org www.rawstory.com www.globalresearch.ca www.democraticunderground.com and while I'm at it, the very best progressive call-in show--- for when the mediocre music on KPFA doesnt satisfy-- www.mikemalloy.com
PEACE! NOW!
I would like to massively apologise, for I was pressed for time and in my haste, posted yesterday afternoon without doing so much as a single proofreading of my comment. PLEASE, substitute the word "NATIONALISTIC" for the word "patriotic" in that posting!
Vive la difference-- quite a difference. I consider myself a true patriot, whereas such atrocious affronts to the Bill of Rights as the "P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act" and law professor Obama's continuation of all-out assault on said rights, in continuation of the Bush era, tells you what you need to know about who appears to be the true traitors. (Would that a Court of Law could openly examine evidence to this effect!)
After all, PEACE IS PATRIOTIC.
I now present some gems of wisdom from our Founding Fathers, to use against those ruining our Constitution:
Beginning with GEORGE WASHINGTON:
Here's his Farewell Address of 1796, in which he warned against "foreign entanglements":
http://www.tpromo2.com/gko/files1/entangle.htm
Some loose quotes:
"It is to an established maxim of mine, not to accept a Present from any one." - Letter to Mrs. Matthew Anderson, July 20, 1794
(Think of the megacorporate Dems' being totally in the pocket of Wall Street..)
"Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light." - Letter to Charles M. Thurston, August 10, 1794
(Think of the "centrist" Dems salivating over plans for the Internet Kill Switch.. (more like total content control, it's now looking..))
"I believe it is among nations as with individuals, that the party taking advantage of the distresses of another will lose infinitely more in the opinion of mankind, and in subsequent events, than he will gain by the stroke of the moment." - Letter to Gouverneur Morris, July 28, 1791
(Think of the aggregious coup in Haiti..)
[OMG.. re-finding my favourite Thomas Jefferson quote on the net, I notice that the U. of Virginia has scrubbed it from their website. Here is the entry in the search engine hit page:
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Home - Thomas Jefferson - Subject Research Guides at UVa Library *
A guide to the University of Virginia's collections related to Thomas Jefferson, with additional links to texts and information resources about Jefferson.
etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff5.htm - Proxy - Highlight
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... but that URL now redirects you to a more shlocky/javascripted site from which one can't find this quote. I scrounged the External Links, and found only one with searchable transcriptions of Jeffersons papers available to the public. I got a hit for the unusual word which sets this quote apart.. giving a link to the page # in the original document, on which one clicks. Which then gives:
"[Pages 73-74, 171-174 were removed before the volume was donated to the Massachusetts Historical Society. These pages are held at the Department of Rare Books and Special Collections of the Princeton University Library.] " .. so I guess if I lived back East I could go in person and have scary suits follow me around and take my picture. What a country.
(that from http://www.masshist.org/thomasjeffersonpapers/cfm/search.cfm)
So the U of Va and the Mass Hist. Soc. appear to be wholly whored-out entities underneath ..whom, the U.S. Chamber? The prez? Some star chamber? This is not America.
Get it while you can, the increasingly-censored line from Jefferson's letters..
"I hope we shall... crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws our country".
Letter to George Logan, Nov. 12th, 1816
It's always gratifying to hear D.R. Griffin... he remains on target in his questions and never gives cause to doubt his sanity and intellectual fitness. Thanks for playing this again, Bonnie.
As for the Osama chimera... I always think of Santa Claus each time I see a video 'production' of this bad boy. That is to say, these impersonators have the beard and the general 'look' of their respective icons, but there's something indistinct about them, too. The last so-called video of him in rear quarter view is probably the most shabby one yet... they couldn't even be bothered to get the head-on details together, and probably just said "Ahh, close enough".
The devil skips the details...
I am totally convinced that 9/11 was an "insidejob". Without 9/11 BaybyBush would not have reached the precidency. The top-layer of the owners of the governing global tranZnatzional corporatZions has managed to control information concerning 9/11 in mainstreammedia in a way that confirm the responsibility of Bin Laden. The actual question is why did the Obamapuppet have to kill a fake-Osama just now? I bought Griffins book in Scotland. I highly recommend it. The Viking.
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