It's always essential to emphasize the desire by the tortured, tormented, conquered, horribly abused people there - any-/everywhere that those glories about which praises are sung, of advancements that rise in conquered states, could just as well have waited , to arise without the abuse, warring, conquering, - or even never!! Watch your son die of it, your daughter be raped, your wife be torn to shreds, your husband mutilated and talk about the successes we're told accompany warring.