Excellent show starring both George Lakoff and Chris Hedges. I would like to point out that Mr. Lakoff is thinking within the "conservative" frame when he refers to them as...conservatives. Call them the Far Right, the Extreme Right, or even Fascists--and I don't use that word lightly--but not conservatives. They are too radical to qualify for that title. Their aim is to destroy civil society, which is anything but conservative.

I think it was Tony Soprano who said shit flows downhill and money flows uphill. That's the world as it is.

On Lakoff- yes I am one of the Nadetr supporters who simply cringe when I hear nader lost us the election in 2000. Regardless of your belief in what happened this as a starting point in the discussion is simply fractious in my opinion. Suprisingly howeve was Lakoff's analysis of the center for american progrees was much more objective and not what i would have expected from a seeming democratic party apologist.
I appreciate Phillip giving me the opportunity to respond to what Hedges had said in response to me, but sadly i was a little surprised and did not really make it clear that I basically agree with his, Hedges, take on the problems with the faith placed in Obama and presidential politics for that matter

These were wonderful shows Philip!

However; I do have a couple of little bones to pick with Prof. Lakoff. He's being a little disingenuous regarding the ignorance of our Democratic Leaders. Example: President Obama accused Mitt Romney of being essentially a “vulture capitalist” in his role at Bain Capital. Obama was criticized quite severely by Bill Clinton for saying this. Clinton said that Romney was a decent man, etc, etc and that President Obama shouldn't talk about Mr. Romney this way.

Second little bone and sorry you didn't ask him about this. His successful effort to partially get rid of the 2/3 majority requirement in California did not go far enough. It does not apply to monetary bills/impacts. Monetary legislation still requires a 2/3 vote plus the governor’s signature. The question is why did they not go after a complete repeal of the 2/3 requirement? It seems we went through the effort but did not get the victory we needed.