Host Kate Raphael speaks with Deborah Copaken Kogan, author of The Red Book and Shutterbabe about the ways women writers are still marginalized by the literary establishment. And as May Day approaches, we hear from Aileen Clarke Hernandez, second president of the National Organization for Women, labor organizer and the first woman appointed to the EEOC. Hernandez talks about the role of radical economic justice activists in creating what we think of as liberal middle-class feminism.